Tokyo Disney Western River Railroad locomotive.

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Tokyo Disney Western River Railroad locomotive.

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A suggestion from Norman,

MiniTrainS

The HOn30 MinitrainS locomotive 0-4-0 could be modified to the Tokyo Disney Western River Railroad No. 1, 2, 3, 4 locomotive 2-4-0
rather than purchasing the Expensive TOMY HOn30 Collector Set.

The 2 ft 6 in Gauge Tokyo Disney Western River Railroad No. 1, 2, 3, 4 locomotive.
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The HOn30 MinitrainS locomotive 0-4-0 could be modified to the Tokyo Disney Western River Railroad No. 1, 2, 3, 4 locomotive 2-4-0
rather than purchasing the Expensive TOMY HOn30 Collector Set.
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http://www.minitrains.eu/sources/1003.jpg


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I don't know...seems like it would be a pretty extensive bash.
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This bash would have a very unusual problem: starting with an outside frame to model an Inside frame! Usually the problem is exactly the opposite!

For a long time I’ve been wanting to do a Western River, but I was thinking of starting with the BachmanN 2-6-2, and removing the center driver. Used donors are available cheaply, and the older models are easier to bash because the superstructure comes off the chassis easily (just a couple screws).
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Sorry, I know that this is just a die hard Disney fan nit-picky comment, but please - this is the name of the park:

Tokyo Disneyland

Leave it to the general public to use the family name and the name of a large corporation when referring to one of the six Disney theme park properties. Around here, I'd like to think that we're a little bit more dedicated than that. :wink:

As a side note, I notice that generally the folks east of the Rockies use the generic term "Disney" when referring to Walt Disney World. I don't hear it too much here out West. (It does pop up every once in a while though.) Sadly, the Walt Disney Company itself has been polluting the minds of the general public the past few years with use of the family/company name in their own promotional material when referring to Walt Disney World. :roll:

Sorry if this seems like a personal attack because it is not. I'm more frustrated with the Walt Disney Company continuing to promote this incorrect lingo and now it is somewhat common outside of the Western US.

As a side note, on my vacations over there I've never ever heard the people in Japan refer to Tokyo Disneyland by anything else other than exactly that - Tokyo Disneyland.

In case anyone needs a refresher course, these are the names of the different parks:

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I can understand the appeal of the Tomix Tokyo Disneyland models. I remember seeing them in a hobbyshop back in the 1980s. They were too expensive, even then. If you look around, I'm sure you can find a suitable N gauge mechanism to use for an HOn30, or OO9 model. I looked online, but I could find no info on the Western River Railroad engine dimensions, like the driver diameter and wheelbase. It would certainly help to have those. There are drawings available.

If you have some more room for a layout, another possibility is On30, using HO track. There are lots of inexpensive, secondhand HO mechanisms that could be used to build a model.

I've read that the TDL WRR engines are based on the D&RG Montezuma, but they look more like the Disneyland Ernest S. Marsh:

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The Marsh, although not based on a period prototype, is more period correct than the TDL engines, which were built new in the 1980s:

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Note the outside valve gear, the switching of the steam and sand domes, the foreshortened cylinder saddle, and the maze of piping.

I know the Marsh has 28" drivers, and there are good drawings available of her. I looked at a Lifelike HO 0-4-0 teakettle I have, and it has 28" drivers in O scale. I could even get, or make, new axles - and re-gauge it for On3.

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I like that photo of DRR 4 at New Orleans Square Station. We don't get to see that side of it too much while in the parks.

What's really weird to my eyes is that the Western River Railroad's American style 2-4-0 locomotives all have Walschaerts valve gear. Most American 2-4-0 locomotives that I've seen have Stephenson valve gear.

The whistles that they use on the locomotives over there are also strange sounding to my ears. The whistle that they use on the Mark Twain at Tokyo Disneyland also sounds weird to me.

...just some examples of how things are a little different at Tokyo Disneyland compared to at Disneyland.
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Roy wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm
I know the Marsh has 28" drivers, and there are good drawings available of her. I looked at a Lifelike HO 0-4-0 teakettle I have, and it has 28" drivers in O scale. I could even get, or make, new axles - and re-gauge it for On3.
Can confirm the teakettle is a good candidate for an On30 Marsh... :wink:

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Did you build that, Sam? That looks amazing!
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Roy wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pmThe Marsh, although not based on a period prototype...
Actually, the Marsh is in fact based on D&RG No. 1, the Montezuma. If the Tokyo DL engines are based on the Marsh, they are by default also based on the Montezuma.

The use of Walschaerts valve gear was no doubt done to make maintenance easier. I routinely work on Stephenson valve gear on an 0-4-0 standard gauge engine, and I can barely move when I'm between the frames. Can't imagine what it would be like on a narrow gauge engine.
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Re: Tokyo Disney Western River Railroad locomotive.

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S. Towler wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:05 pm Can confirm the teakettle is a good candidate for an On30 Marsh... :wink:
That's a fine model, Sam! 8) Thanks, for sharing that nice photo of it. How did you make it? Do you have cars for it?
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